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	<title>Comments on: August 2009 Alumni Kajioshi and Bonji Courses, Oroshigane Seminar</title>
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		<title>By: MarkSpizer</title>
		<link>http://tomboyama.com/2009/09/19/august-alumni-kajioshi-bonji-and-oroshigane-seminar/#comment-470</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkSpizer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 07:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great post as usual!</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 21:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Christopher,

Thank you for the kind compliments.  We would love to have you attend our school someday.

I do indeed use clay graphite crucibles to make my &lt;em&gt;oroshigane&lt;/em&gt;.  In past, I tried using sand crucibles (basically made of fire clay), which were much less expensive, but I found that the temperature required that they broke apart too often.

The process of smelting iron oxide powder, also know as &lt;em&gt;satetsu&lt;/em&gt;, &#039;sand iron&#039;, in Japanese, is actually something with which we are currently experimenting.  The process is identical to that used to make tamahagane in a traditional charcoal furance, a &lt;em&gt;tatara&lt;/em&gt;, and it certainly could be also be done in small batches with crucibles in a purpose-built fire.  Indeed, we have already experimented with using our crucibles to smelt &lt;em&gt;satetsu&lt;/em&gt;, but unfortunately our current propane smelting fire could not reach a high enough temperature to break the strong double-bonds of  the oxygen in the iron-oxide.  A more powerful blower could likely allow to reach the higher temperature threshold required.

One should also be aware of the large loss in mass which occurs during smelting, a result the &#039;burning out&#039; of the oxygen molecules from the iron-oxide, to leave pure iron.  Because of the inefficiency of doing such small limited batches in a propane fire, our next endeavor in experimenting in smelting &lt;em&gt;satetsu &lt;/em&gt;will begin with building a traditional &lt;em&gt;tatara&lt;/em&gt;.

By taking pure forms of iron, specifically electrolytic sponge iron, &lt;em&gt;dekaitetsu &lt;/em&gt;in Japanese, and antique wrought iron, and carburizing the it, one can create a steel that is compositionally identical to &lt;em&gt;tamahagane&lt;/em&gt;, refered to as &lt;em&gt;oroshigane&lt;/em&gt;.  The carburizing process is a product of both time and temperate, as long as the iron is in a carbon-rich environment (carbon is absorbed into iron as a gas, carbon monoxide).  Because the iron in these forms is pure, without oxygen&#039;s double bonds to have to break first, the temperature is required for carburizing iron is lower.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Christopher,</p>
<p>Thank you for the kind compliments.  We would love to have you attend our school someday.</p>
<p>I do indeed use clay graphite crucibles to make my <em>oroshigane</em>.  In past, I tried using sand crucibles (basically made of fire clay), which were much less expensive, but I found that the temperature required that they broke apart too often.</p>
<p>The process of smelting iron oxide powder, also know as <em>satetsu</em>, &#8216;sand iron&#8217;, in Japanese, is actually something with which we are currently experimenting.  The process is identical to that used to make tamahagane in a traditional charcoal furance, a <em>tatara</em>, and it certainly could be also be done in small batches with crucibles in a purpose-built fire.  Indeed, we have already experimented with using our crucibles to smelt <em>satetsu</em>, but unfortunately our current propane smelting fire could not reach a high enough temperature to break the strong double-bonds of  the oxygen in the iron-oxide.  A more powerful blower could likely allow to reach the higher temperature threshold required.</p>
<p>One should also be aware of the large loss in mass which occurs during smelting, a result the &#8216;burning out&#8217; of the oxygen molecules from the iron-oxide, to leave pure iron.  Because of the inefficiency of doing such small limited batches in a propane fire, our next endeavor in experimenting in smelting <em>satetsu </em>will begin with building a traditional <em>tatara</em>.</p>
<p>By taking pure forms of iron, specifically electrolytic sponge iron, <em>dekaitetsu </em>in Japanese, and antique wrought iron, and carburizing the it, one can create a steel that is compositionally identical to <em>tamahagane</em>, refered to as <em>oroshigane</em>.  The carburizing process is a product of both time and temperate, as long as the iron is in a carbon-rich environment (carbon is absorbed into iron as a gas, carbon monoxide).  Because the iron in these forms is pure, without oxygen&#8217;s double bonds to have to break first, the temperature is required for carburizing iron is lower.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Bacon</title>
		<link>http://tomboyama.com/2009/09/19/august-alumni-kajioshi-bonji-and-oroshigane-seminar/#comment-412</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Bacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, I really like your site.  I especially liked the oroshigane article.  I was wondering, what kind of crucibles are you using?  Clay graphite, silicon carbide, etc.  I figured those might work since the temperatures arent high enough to actually melt the iron.  I have what may be a very rookie question, but you appear to be the expert in this area.  Could you mix crushed charcoal with iron oxide powder and heat the mixture in a crucible in an attempt to create something resembling tamahagane.  This is where you tell me youve already done that before, haha.  If you have, Id like to know what the result was.  Again, excellent oroshigane article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, I really like your site.  I especially liked the oroshigane article.  I was wondering, what kind of crucibles are you using?  Clay graphite, silicon carbide, etc.  I figured those might work since the temperatures arent high enough to actually melt the iron.  I have what may be a very rookie question, but you appear to be the expert in this area.  Could you mix crushed charcoal with iron oxide powder and heat the mixture in a crucible in an attempt to create something resembling tamahagane.  This is where you tell me youve already done that before, haha.  If you have, Id like to know what the result was.  Again, excellent oroshigane article.</p>
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